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A subject I never thought would have to be raised again. I don’t mind referring to it differently but for me, its critical for that to be viewable. with Extra Info unchecked I only see the GUI number, of 0% use to me. Every step I take, I make reference to the REFN** (Internal reference) especially to make sure I have the correct person, to match back to offline dB and to correctly ID my few thousand images.

To have it in the Extra means A LOT of extra scrolling, manually (my mouse scrolls down, not reverse).

Hate to have this battle again, kiwi. In the raw Gedcom I see the _UID but not 1 REFN aka the I (eye) number for individuals, F number for family). However, it does appear in Extra Info if checked. Up until now, I had it as part of Facts & Events. Since PGV days. One of the reasons for leaving webtrees. It’ll be the biggest obstacle in upgrading my live site.

** whatever it’s proper name, it’s found as the 0 @I###@ for every record. (Where I changed I to A or other).

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You can see it in every pages url, in your browsers url field.

Beyond that, don’t waste your breath. IT WILL NEVER BE DISPLAYED ON THE PAGE in kiwitrees.

I hope that is clear enough. If you want to understand the reasons go read the pages and pages about it on the webtrees forum archives. This is a dead subject.

Sorry to be blunt, but if it’s that important to you then you will need to find a different family history product, if you can find one that does actually display it.

For the record, REFN is something completely different. You are referring to the “xref”, a random machine generated 11-digit code for internal database use ONLY.

There is a code called REFN that you can manually create and manage that you can use, and a couple of others (read the GEDCOM spec). They can be displayed by kiwitrees.

Nigel
My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info

kiwi,

First, I don’t want to leave kiwitrees! The number I refer to is the one you call “Internal reference” in Extra Information. I’ve always used the GEDCOM “REFN” tag to place the 0 @I123@ never knowing its proper name. That’s the one I want displayed on the page itself. But if I have to have both, then how do I include both?

The GEDCOM for the Royals has REFN already (as do my GEDCOMs). don’t know the proper tag name for it. It’s the number every record starts with and is displayed with the raw GEDCOM.

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Your continued use of the term REFN is confusing and contradictory. For example:
“It’s the number every record starts with” is therefore NOT the REFN. It is the xref_ID (e.g. I1234) and WILL NEVER BE DISPLAYED ON THE PAGE.

“and is displayed with the raw GEDCOM” makes no sense at all as all GEDCOM data is displayed in the “Raw GEDCOM data” windows.

Please send me the ‘Royals’ GEDCOM file you are using so I can verify more correctly what you are really talking about.

Please also spend some time studying the GEDCOM specification (available at http://www.our-families.info/mediafirewall.php?mid=M1004 ) so that you can use the correct and therefore unambiguous terminology in future.

A GEDCOM record that does use the REFN tag will look like something this:

0 @I1234@
1 NAME John /Smith/
1 BIRT
2 DATE 01 JAN 1870
1 REFN ABC123456789
1 DEAT yes

If you utilise a genuine REFN number it will be displayed either:
a) in the Extra Information panel if that panel is enabled, or
b) on the Facts and Events tab if if the Extra Information panel is not enabled

GEDCOM specification references:
xref_ID (pointer): (p.17)

The xref_ID is formed by any arbitrary combination of characters from the pointer_char set.
The first character must be an alpha or a digit. The xref_ID is not retained in the receiving
system, and it may therefore be formed from any convenient combination of identifiers from the
sending system. No meaning is attributed by the receiver to any part of the xref_ID, other than its
unique association with the associated record.

REFN : [p.63,64]

A user-defined number or text that the submitter uses to identify this record. For instance, it may be a
record number within the submitter’s automated or manual system, or it may be a page and position64
number on a pedigree chart

Nigel
My personal kiwitrees site is www.our-families.info